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 ====== Clem Cole's Student Experiences ======
-I was a student, but working as a 360/TSS programmer and PDP-10/20\\
+I was a student, but working as a 360/TSS programmer and PDP-10/20
-programmer in the CMU computer ctr.  I also did some hacking for the EE\\
+programmer in the CMU computer ctr.  I also did some hacking for the EE
-dept mostly for free for them - as EE was my major.  My girlfriend at\\
+dept mostly for free for them - as EE was my major.  My girlfriend at
-the time was working for an EE prof and she got me to bring UNIX over\\
+the time was working for an EE prof and she got me to bring UNIX over
-from CS (EE had a 11/20's and a prototype 11/34 <-- not a 34A) and CS\\
+from CS (EE had a 11/20's and a prototype 11/34 <-- not a 34A) and CS
-of course had numerious 11's as they were building C.mmp and writing\\
+of course had numerious 11's as they were building C.mmp and writing
-Hydra.  [CMU/CS actually ran UNIX on the ``pre-Hydra'' 11/40E <-- the E\\
+Hydra.  [CMU/CS actually ran UNIX on the ``pre-Hydra'' 11/40E <-- the E
-was a CMU/3 River's writeable microcode modification - very cool).]\\
+was a CMU/3 River's writeable microcode modification - very cool).]
-   \\
-Anyway, I had access to the only 11/45's on Campus in the computer\\
+Anyway, I had access to the only 11/45's on Campus in the computer
-center where I worked - which was important because V5 and V6 really\\
+center where I worked - which was important because V5 and V6 really
-wanted to be booted on an 11/45.  Dan Klein, who was math major, but\\
+wanted to be booted on an 11/45.  Dan Klein, who was math major, but
-like me, had a similar job to mine, working for the CS Dept to pay his\\
+like me, had a similar job to mine, working for the CS Dept to pay his
-bills.  There was a lot of helping each other because the equipment we\\
+bills.  There was a lot of helping each other because the equipment we
-had was both common and complementary - so all the systems programmers\\
+had was both common and complementary - so all the systems programmers
-tended to have ``guest accounts'' in both worlds.  Since Dan and I were\\
+tended to have ``guest accounts'' in both worlds.  Since Dan and I were
-the common threads with access to all versions of the HW were sort in\\
+the common threads with access to all versions of the HW were sort in
-the middle of moving this stuff around.\\
+the middle of moving this stuff around.
-   \\
-Note: CMU/CS had already done the V5 to V6.  EE never had V5,\\
+Note: CMU/CS had already done the V5 to V6.  EE never had V5,
-although any of us that had CS accounts has briefly used it there.\\
+although any of us that had CS accounts has briefly used it there.
-   \\
-In the fall of ??1976?? I believe, ted kowalski shows up for his OYOC\\
+In the fall of ??1976?? I believe, ted kowalski shows up for his OYOC
-year in the EE dept after his summer at Bell Labs, and graduating U\\
+year in the EE dept after his summer at Bell Labs, and graduating U
-Michigan (he was once Bill Joy's housemate at Michigan in a strange\\
+Michigan (he was once Bill Joy's housemate at Michigan in a strange
-twist of fate).  He brought with him some stuff, including a photocopy\\
+twist of fate).  He brought with him some stuff, including a photocopy
-of what would become K&R and copy of typesetter C, and a copy of\\
+of what would become K&R and copy of typesetter C, and a copy of
-UNIX/TS.  He also brought his cool (but unfinished) program he had\\
+UNIX/TS.  He also brought his cool (but unfinished) program he had
-started to write originally at U Mich - fsck. [Hacking on fsck under\\
+started to write originally at U Mich - fsck. [Hacking on fsck under
-the tutorial guidence of tjk was my first real introduction into UNIX\\
+the tutorial guidence of tjk was my first real introduction into UNIX
-file system internals]\\
+file system internals]
-   \\
-Ted brought back to AT&T to the 11/34 support and eventually 11/34A and\\
+Ted brought back to AT&T to the 11/34 support and eventually 11/34A and
-RK07 support that Dan and I would later do.  He also spoke of the\\
+RK07 support that Dan and I would later do.  He also spoke of the
-upcomming 7th edition.  Ted wanted to get the 34 supported added back\\
+upcomming 7th edition.  Ted wanted to get the 34 supported added back
-into the main line at AT&T, because it was clear that was going to be\\
+into the main line at AT&T, because it was clear that was going to be
-system most people bought from then on.  We keep asking when it was\\
+system most people bought from then on.  We keep asking when it was
-going to be released.  While CMU was not the first V7 licensee - thanks\\
+going to be released.  While CMU was not the first V7 licensee - thanks
 to Ted, we were very early.
-\\
+In 1977/78 Dan and I would start to work from CMIR - CMU's Industrial
-In 1977/78 Dan and I would start to work from CMIR - CMU's Industrial\\
+Research arm which had a new group start up a person who originally had
-Research arm which had a new group start up a person who originally had\\
+an appointment in EE (Ron Krutz) - CMIR was the ``Mellon Institute''
-an appointment in EE (Ron Krutz) - CMIR was the ``Mellon Institute''\\
+part of Cargnie-Mellon Univ).  They  worked with industry and even took
-part of Cargnie-Mellon Univ).  They  worked with industry and even took\\
+on profit stuff.  Dan and I, brought the Kowalski/Cole/Klien UNIX over
-on profit stuff.  Dan and I, brought the Kowalski/Cole/Klien UNIX over\\
+from EE to be the basis and added to write a driver for the newest DEC
-from EE to be the basis and added to write a driver for the newest DEC\\
+disk (CMIR had serial #3 RK07 and a very early 34A).  Ted was a little
-disk (CMIR had serial #3 RK07 and a very early 34A).  Ted was a little\\
 nervious about the license, as CMIR was doing a lot of stuff in the
+for profit part and the AT&T Unverisity Research License forbade that.
+The folks at CMIR promised to fix that, but it seemed like promises
+for a long time -- hense Dan and mine work slow down.  My memory
+is that actual commercial license was purchase after we got V7,
+but that's purely memory.  I'ld need to look at the system we ran.
+Certainly by the time I left for Tek, 1979 V7 was running at CMU.
+But the point is... the Ted brought TS to CMU as a post V6
+system.  Some of the CMU changes stuff made it back to V7 via
+Ted.